Friends,
Here are some of the letters sent in. On the topic of Pietenpols;
Pietenpol builder Harold Bickford writes:
“Thanks for posting this William. The article certainly adds to the information base re: a Piet with Corvair. I’m assuming the Lycoming weighs about what a Continental 65 weighs, i.e. 170lbs. so about 55 of the 95 lbs would be from the Corvair. The performance and CG advantage for the reasons stated are incentive enough to use the Corvair.. I am curious at what gross Bob’s Piet is operating given that the typical gross per Pietenpol is 1080lbs. As an aside enough 1/4″ x 1/2″ was processed over the last two days to make the ribs for our Pietenpol. A band saw, planer and Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators are three useful tools/items that I’m glad are in the shop. – Harold”
Harold, the photo below is our Pietenpol at Brodhead 2000. We flew it up from Florida in 14 hours. We stopped about every 2 hours to take a break and gas up. The empty weight of the plane was 734#. On every one of the loaded take offs the plane was leaving the ground at 1270 to 1280 pounds. At other times we flew the plane as high as 1360 pounds. It was really limited by space, not weight. In air cargo slang it “Cubed out instead of grossing out.”
Bobs Piet in the story is 739# empty. He has an 18 gallon fuel system. The 8oo fpm number refered to the plane with full fuel and two 180 pound people in it on a 70F day. The piet is a very strong plane when it is well built. The traditional 1080# gross weight is a number that was based on a Ford engines climb performance limitations. Bob’s previous gross weight was limited to 900 pounds or so on a very hot day for performance reasons, and maybe 1100 pounds on a very cool day with a long runway. These types of limitations on his aircraft are effectively removed by the Corvairs power.
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Builder Sonny Webster writes:
“Saving weight to increase climb is like saving money to increase profits – eventually you run out of places to cut. To increase performance in a sustainable fashion you will eventually need to increase power/revenues.”
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On the temps article with the Wagabond picture;
Builder Jerry Mcferron writes:
“Would you please post the real world cruise, climb, and useful load numbers for the Wagbond?-Jerry”
Jerry, the picture above is just after Gus did the first flight in the plane, he is shaking hands with Dave. You can’t tell these things in pictures, but both Gus and Dave are about 6’3″ and they are both built like NFL defensive linemen. The empty weight of the plane was 804 with a 2700cc Corvair. The plane didn’t have a 5th bearing, but it had the heavier pre-gold oil system. It also had a full panel of vacuum driven gyros. We arbitrarily set the gross weight on the paperwork at 1320# to make it light sport compliant. We did a test flight at 1625 pounds during phase one. I was not worried structurally because we used a PA-22-108 colt airframe as the basis of the plane (this is no long legal under the current FAA guidelines for homebuilts) which has a gross weight of 1650 pounds. The lift struts are off a 160 hp tripacer with a 2,000 pound gross. If you study the gross weights vs the gross climb rates for all the PA-20 and -22 series of pipers, I believe that they set the gross at a number that still gave 500-600 fpm on a standard day. In short it was performance based, not a structural issue. If you are working from the Wag-aero plans and working with wood spars, it would pay to go back and not assume the information to be interchangeable metal spared planes.
The plane is not a speed demon. its fair to say that it will do 100 mph on 5 gallons per hour. It 100 hp climb rate at 1320 pounds is about 700 fpm on a standard day. It is a good all around aircraft, but not an outstanding performer on any single front. We are currently redoing the plane with some detail work intended to clean it up and repower it with a 3000cc Corvair. I am shooting to bring down the empty to 780 pounds or so. We will have more data in a month or two. If you would like to see a video of the plane in flight, look at this link to you-tube, it has 7,000 hits:-ww
Friends,
On the topic of Intakes and the Internet,
West Coast Pietenpol builder Pete Kozachik writes:
Thanks for the informative (and very entertaining!) piece on vapor-expertise vs. real-world expertise. That rear alternator mount looks great! Have been waiting to see it since you described it some time ago. How does it test out?
Pete, Dan and I are still working out manufacturing details, and then are going to stick it on a test bed aircraft. We want to affirm that the unit spins fast enough and runs cool enough in an actual engine compartment. We will have all the parts at Corvair College #24.-ww
500 hour Zenith Corvair builder/pilot Andy Elliot writes:
“For anyone who would like to learn more about the truly amazing development of piston engine technology during WWII, I wholeheartedly recommend the book “Allied Aircraft Piston Engines of World War II”, by Graham White. It is published by the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) and is available on their web site (http://books.sae.org/book-r-154) for only $60.
The development of the V-1710 is covered in detail, from the first 650 HP version built for the Navy in 1931, through the development of the “ram’s horn” intake manifold in 1935 which resulted in the 1000 HP -C8 version in 1937, through to the G model which made 2200 HP (with ADI) at 3200 RPM, but never saw large production as the war ended. (They are used at Reno, though.)
As is well described and documented, the V-1710 was ahead of the Merlin throughout most of its life, but suffered for its single-stage engine-driven supercharger when Rolls-Royce added the 2-stage, 2-speed, intercooled/aftercooled supercharger with the -60 series Merlins.
Allison introduced the -199 version of the V-1710 for the XP-51J, the fastest of all the Mustangs. It used a 2-stage supercharger with a liquid-cooled aftercooler and was the first to meter fuel directly into the supercharger without a carburetor. It produced 1700 HP, at 3200 RPM ** at 21000 ft! **
Another very good book, specifically about the V-1710 is “Vees For Victory!: The Story of the Allison V-1710 Aircraft Engine 1929-1948″, by Dan Whitney, who provided engineering support for Reno air racers for many years. Available on Amazon for $50. Interestingly enough, if you check out the presentation at http://www.enginehistory.org/Reno/EngineeringUnlimiteds120304.pdf, you’ll find about 1/2-way through, a picture of Graham White at Reno in 2002, working with Pete Law, who is more or less the “godfather” of racing engines at Reno! -Andy “
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On Cleanexes, builder Jackson Ordean writes:
I’m amazed there aren’t more Sonex powered by Corvair? Beats Aerovee by any measure, not to mention Jab. Anyway, just keep up the awesome work – hope you guys are blessed doing it.
Jackson, Different engines for different people. We try to just present the appeal of the Corvair without getting in to debates about merits. Over the years I have found that guys who just want a by-it-in-a-box imported engine have very little interest in Corvairs, and people who really want to know every nut and bolt on their airframe and engine will find little satisfaction in engines from companies that are focused on selling a consumer good rather than an educational mission. This is the most important division in engine choices. A guy who really wants to be self-reliant and his own mechanic, but buys a Rotax 912 because its lighter than a Corvair, isn’t likely to be happy in the long run. Neither is a guy whose sole interest in Corvairs is because they are comparatively inexpensive. This is why I spend a lot of time speaking about philosophy and motivation, these are important things to understand before people start shelling out money.
At Oshkosh last year, a nice enough guy, new to homebuilding showed me a spread sheet he had made with every possible 100-120 hp engine on the market. A lot of the data was brochure stuff like liquid cooled engines weighed without water and fuel burns a Cox .049 couldn’t match. This guy even invented new concepts like engine weight divided by dollar cost, not a particularly useful value. I tried to get him to switch gears and think differently by pointing out that his marriage works because he and his wife are a good philosophical match, not because her height x weight divided by her gross income is in some target range on values. I think he understood the point, but I suspect he went home and graphed out the last equation.
On the subject of Cleanexes, There are a lot of photos of them on Dan’s site Flycleanex.com. Hard to believe, but Dans plane has been flying for seven years. Time waits for no one. In the first years, Dans plane was followed quickly by Chris Smiths “son of Cleanex.” At the time there was debate about what the ‘right’ engine was, or how well the Corvair worked in the sonex airframe, mostly driven by people who spent a lot of time on the net and had never seen a Corvair or Dans plane.

In the foreground Dan’s Cleanex, behind, Chris in the “son of Cleanex.”
In 2009 Dan and Chris flew up to the Crossville fly in for Sonexes. Chris later told me that he and Dan, who fly together a lot, did a full power, formation flyby at 5 feet, 180mph, 3,500 rpm and 12 cylinders, followed by a sharp pull up and a clean break. Chris said after the came back around and landed it was like Lindbergh landing in Paris, they were mobbed and questioned by people who had only heard from internet experts that the Corvair was a heavy, oily, old American engine that made no power. After one look at reality, opinions change. Today there are about 14 Cleanexes flying. many of these were built by people who were present at the Crossville moment, and they cite the sound and the power as the decision maker. All of them report that the performance had been astounding, partially because the internet experts, people who had never seen the Combination fly, had them expecting much less. One of these successful Cleanex builders whose mind was made at Crossville is already regestered to fly his creation into Corvair College #24-ww
Friends,
On the topic of Economic Issues in Experimental Aviation, experienced builder Greg Crouchley writes:
Dear William, Absolutely outstanding. Thank you.- Greg
Builder Brian Manlove adds:
Actually, F. Scott Fitzgerald lived very close geographically to Cherry Grove – 121 miles. He was born in St. Paul, MN – and moved back home from NYC to a huge house at 445 Summit Avenue, St. Paul, MN, in 1921. Bernie might have even flown right over the house on his way to Minneapolis to show his “automobile-engine powered airplane” to the editor of Popular Mechanics. Maybe he released his relief tank as he passed overhead – now THAT would be funny. (FSF, sitting in garden sipping mint julep, comments to butler: “I do believe I just felt a raindrop.”) Seriously though – I am VERY interested in your carb experiments. This is great stuff.
Brian, I actually meant to imply that Bernard was far from the world of Fitzgerald’s character, Gatsby. I don’t know much about F. Scott other than reading his master work and seeing his film biography beloved infidel a couple of times. My old friend Chris who is in the glider flying story is very fond of Fitzgerald, and often brings up Gatsby’s main objection to the idle rich of the 1920s, that everything they did was “sloppy.”-ww
Builder Harold Bickford shares:
William,
That is a very far-reaching piece you’ve written. For me the working class effort started with a paper route when I was 11.My folks made clear that if I wanted something it wouldn’t be handed to me.
In that context you grow up valuing what you have earned and owned. The high school years Corvairs were in the same mold. Bought with earnings and not handed to me, they were chosen because of the engineering and concept behind them. Reading more than Ralph Nader’s critiques was useful too.
So now it’s the beginning of an Air camper with Corvair power. The plans and manuals were purchased from Andrew Pietenpol, William Wynne and Clark’s Covairs. A few parts have been sourced from another Piet builder and the last year saw a dedicated building constructed. A few fuselage parts are done. Later this year the big wood order comes and then things should progress a bit. In the meantime work on the engine (i.e. teardown) can start. Why do all this? it’s the working class thing, the desire to build and create, learn something new. Rather than getting in the way, education and life experience inform the decision.
It fits the desire for an economical, fabric covered airplane in a classical mold and my wife likes the idea as well. In fact she insisted that we do the Piet in red as she likes cardinals. Anyone up for a short b&w film, “Why we build”, complete with grainy images?-Harold
Builder Gary Burdett writes:
Thanks, I needed that. -Gary
Sprint builder Joe Goldman writes:
Thank you William, -Joe
International man of aviation Tom Graziano asks:
William, Does the Ford carb have a mixture control or a means of leaning/enriching? If not, is there anything in the works to do so (e.g. McNeilly leaning block)? Thanks.-Tom
Tom, We have not dug into it, but the bow is vented in such a way that some sort of back suction mixture control may be possible. Even if this turns out not to be practical, the carb may still have a lot of fans, even without mixture control. I understand the limitation of this for a guy from the Rockies like you, but many guys from east of the Mississippi rarely have use for mixture control on low and slow type planes.-ww
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On the EAA Webinar, Andrew Shearer writes:
Dear William
I listened to the webinar and was very, very impressed, both with your presentation and with the professionalism of the webinar itself. Thank you for this very informative session.
I had listened to a few webinars before yours but they did not have the pre-seminar audio visual confirmation that yours did, and this was very helpful. Most of them seem to start just a few minutes late, and that is understandable given the limitations of the technology used.
I did have 2 questions.
1. Will a Corvair match a Thorpe S18 and
2. Have there been any crankshaft issues with engines running any of the 3 types of 5th bearing setups
Andrew, I have a feeling that an S-18 would be a lot happier with an engine bigger than a Corvair. Out of nearly 200 5th bearings on running engines, the only aircraft that has had any kind of crank issue is Mark Langford’s. His 3100 ran my bearing for 450 hours, but broke the back-end of the crank last year. My personal opinion is that was caused by an issue unique to Mark’s engine. Neither he nor I think it had anything to do with flight loads from the prop. Other than this, no one has had an issue with a 5th bearing -ww
Pietenpol builder Pete Kozachik writes:
Hi William, I enjoyed your webinar last night; smooth presentation and minimal repeating of the same stuff. My question was about auto gas instead of 100LL; is there any specific engine part that would not fare as well with auto gas, with or without ethanol? Am thinking valve guides maybe? On topic, what was lead added for anyway back in the day? Thanks,-Pete Kozachik
Pete, The engine runs cleaner internally on fuel without lead in it. Nothing about the metal parts of the engine has a problem with fuel with ethanol. Lead was added to fuel to improve it’s anti knock characteristics. -ww
Sp-500 designer and builder Spencer Gould writes:
Hi William, Would you happen to have a link on where we can see old Webinars including your one done on 5/9/12? A search in the EAA video player only pulled up one result. –Thanks, Spencer
Spencer, I am pretty sure you can find it on the EAA’s website, EAA.org/webinars. It is archived there so people will always be able to go back and look it up.-ww
Friends,
Here are a couple of letters we received on the subject of risk management:
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Builder David Mehaffey wrote:
“Never thought I would see the truth in print. as one who is looking back , 80 and counting, the truth has usually been the first casualty at the airport. Hope to see more articles. God watches out for fools, he made a lot of them. I can testify to that. Take care.”
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KR builder Donald January shared:
“William. I’ve always liked the saying ‘We do it right because we do it twice’. This shows me that at least the person found a mistake the first time and repaired it. Up here in the Dakotas you see a lot of scabbed together homebuilts and a lot of fools think the whole state is one huge runway. I’ve seen 150 Cessnas blasting down a gravel road for flight. I remember loading my father’s plane with chemical and having a farmer nearly walk into a turning prop. So we learned to ask the farmer to wait in his truck and the pilot will come to him for the daily spray area. You keep up the good work and hope to see you one day. Donald”
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Zenith 750 Builder Dan Glaze wrote:
“Keep writing William, if your insight saves one life it will all be worth it. The following is the NTSB report from last August from my home FBO. This guy refused instruction just a week prior to killing himself, thank God nobody on the ground got hurt, Dan-o.”
NTSB Identification: CEN11FA597
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Thursday, August 25, 2011 in Heath, OH
Aircraft: Nichols Lancair 235, registration: N777BN
Injuries: 1 Fatal.
This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. Excerpt Follows……”The experimental amateur-built airplane had accumulated 1,131 hours since being issued an airworthiness certificate on August 10, 1990. The pilot reportedly had not flown the airplane since he purchased it from the original builder on September 14, 2010. He had reportedly expressed concerns with the airplane’s ground-handling characteristics, and in the weeks preceding the accident, was seen performing several high-speed ground tests.”