New Builder ‘Cards’ and communications

Builders,

Many of you who have met us in person know that one leg of our builder records are on paper. (This backs up of computer records) Grace tends to work with the computers, but I like the Card system. It revolves around how we work with builders; Grace tends to communicate by email, I generally call builders.

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For example, If I am calling builders in the evening, I generally pull their card out of the files, and review from it the progress of their project, give them a call and cover questions and ideas with them. When I head to an airshow, I bring both existing cards and new blank ones to fill out. I find this a better way to lay out a progress plan with builders picking up or ordering parts.

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Most builders know about how our full on line catalog also doubles as a checklist for a complete engine build with all the group numbers and the part numbers in each group.  You can see it at this link:http://www.flycorvair.com/products.html. But, it is a long 10 page print out with a lot of detailed info. The Builder card is an abbreviated version of this, stripped down to just list the most popular parts that builders get from us. It leaves off all the items that come with the core engine, come from other sources like Clark’s Corvair or the Wesemans and the ordering notes.

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Yesterday, Grace and I spent a two hours revising the card to reflect all the most current part numbers. As you are giving it a look, keep in mind that the total of the prices listed is very high if totaled because several choices for systems are listed. Example, both E/P and E/P/X distributors are listed, but your engine needs only one. Likewise, there are four stainless exhaust systems listed, but obviously a plane needs just one. If you are looking at the Card and something isn’t clear, the first stop is back at the main catalog page, where the descriptions are expanded and there are further notes. I wanted to give new builders an advance look at things they will likely need from us.  Note that some items don’t have prices, these items are place holders that may be developed later.

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Here’s a link to a pdf which might be easier for some to print:

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Communications:

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In the last 90 days we have been hit with both, a number of family obligations and a deluge of email and calls. The family obligations are the same things that nearly everyone faces at one time, and we appreciate the people who expresses understanding. The Email has been caused by a string of favorable magazine articles and interest coming off the four 2014 colleges. I understand that it can be frustrating at times to work with this, but we are putting great effort into getting back ahead of the curve. The new builders cards above are a very small part of a comprehensive re-organization, all done to make things work smoother. I have taken behind the scenes, but real, steps to prioritize existing builders. If you are a builder who I still have to call back, you may not feel this yet, but we are working on it.

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A while back, I wrote two stories that explained how we are a small mom and pop business in an industry characterized by big flashy, often short lived outfits. We have a different mission, approach and capability. For people who can meet us half way, there are rewards you can’t get from salesmen. The two stories are: Back from the road, notes on Communications and Improving communications……a little reading goes a long way. Below is an excerpt from the first story, it is the most important element that builders can do to help things work better:

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“When leaving a message, please leave me a number that I can call you on in the evening, and how late I can return your call. I can cover a lot of calls in the evening. I often spend several hours between 7 and 12 pm answering questions in great detail.  You are always welcome to call 904 -529-0006 as late as you like. It only rings in the hangar, and it will not disturb us if you call late. About 1/2 the nights of the week I am in the hangar until midnight. If you ever ring the phone and it tells you the mail box is full, it is an electronic fluke caused by me not having call waiting, but also having some type of phone company complementary voice mail that I don’t want. This message just means I am on the line with a builder already.

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The absolute best way of contacting us: Send me a short email that looks like this:

“Subject:  Corvair engines, question from Bob Smith

Bob smith here: Please give me a call back on my house line 608-123-3456 or cell, 608-234-5467 any time up to 8pm CST. I have a number of questions about a Zenith 750. Thanks.”

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Jump Start Engines – part #6

Builders,

Three groups left to address in the closed case: The Case Group 1200, the Hub Group 2500, and the Rear Oil Case Group 2000.  Let’s take this in order and look at the case. At the bottom of this part I have included several paragraphs on cases from my note book on Corvair engines.  Worth printing and including in your conversion manual if you have not yet passed that part of the build process.

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If you are building a 2700, or a 2850, there is no machine work to be done to the case. It only needs to be cleaned really well, checked for damage, and have all the studs in it in good shape. If you would like a 3,000 cc engine, the six cylinder holes in the case have to be enlarged a bit on very good machinery. You can read about this by clicking on this story: 3,000cc Case Modifications.

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Below is the simple elements of the 1200 group. If you have a good core, you have nothing to buy, just a fair amount of time carefully cleaning:

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Case group (1200)

1201- Case -2 halves with studs-

1202- Main case bolts -8-

1203- Main case nuts -8-

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“Once you have an acceptable case, you need to clean and inspect it very well. Pressure wash it after soaking it with a cleaner like Simple Green. This will get most of the big stuff, but in the end, there is no substitute for several hours with plastic bristle brushes and careful scraping. Many people let their local transmission rebuilder give it a first pass at cleaning. The only two things you can’t do are use bead or sand blasting of any kind, nor use any type of scraper or abrasive on the parting surfaces of the crank cases.

The oil gallery plugs can be pulled with a ¼” drive extension. On 50% of engines these cannot be budged. Leave them in and use a gun cleaning kit to brush the galleries out from the end. Get a gun cleaning kit for a .17 caliber rifle, as these are the only size brush that fits in the oil feed holes to the main bearings. Check every oil passage. My neighbor lost a 200 HP Lycoming 2 hours after overhaul. $10K in damage was caused by a mud dauber insect making a sandy plug in an oil gallery. Check, don’t assume.

A lot of discussion goes on about what is acceptable for wear in a Corvair case. I know people who think that a bearing bore that is .0005” out of round makes a case scrap. I have good reason to say that this is an arbitrary number, not reflected in GM’s literature. For all we know they were not this good new. A much more reasonable idea is making sure the bearing bores are within a thousandth of an inch of being round. This can be directly checked with a bore gauge or a set of Ts and a good caliper. You can also evaluate this by looking at the plastigage when checking the crank.

The whole discussion seems like a lot of talk over a very little issue because I have never seen a spun bearing in a Corvair that had oil in it. If they had a big history of spun bearings and every fourth core had one, then bearing bores would be critical. In hundreds of cores I have not seen such an issue, so I am not alarmed. Same concept covers the cam bores and the lifter bores. Look carefully, clean carefully, but don’t let your project get derailed by an unreasonable arbitrary specification. In the first 30 years of Corvair powered flight, no one ever looked at these measurements, they just put engines together and went out and flew them. Over the years I have had a number of people say to me that they don’t want to build a Corvair after finding out that Corvairs don’t have cam bearings (the cam rides in the case). I pointed out to these people that Lycomings are the same way, and engines like the IO-360 use the bare aluminum case for the thrust bearing. I am sure they thought I was wrong or lying, but it is reality.

Some builders get off to a false start by deciding to pull the stock head studs out of the case because “they look rusty.” Do not do this. Studs with surface rust are very rarely damaged beyond use. Our FlyCorvair.net Web page has a good article about how to test head studs that you suspect of being weak. If a stud is very rusty on the top threads or shows signs of twisting or harsh tool marks, it is a good call to change it. If it just has surface rust, clean it off with Scotch-brite and repaint them. If you have questions on a specific stud, call me or send us pictures of it, and I will be glad to help you decide on a course of action.

The base of the studs is a special thread called a 3/8-NC5. It is not a 3/8-16 UNC thread.

Helicoils are 3/8-16 UNC. If you install a helicoil in a case, you must resize the end of the stud with a very sharp 3/8-16 die. Use real cutting oil if you expect this to work. Grab the body of the stud in a vise with soft jaws and clamp it very tight.

If you have a stock stud unscrew cleanly, without removing aluminum from the case, the hole and the stud can be carefully cleaned and dried off, and the stud then screwed back into place with Loctite 620 on it. 620 has awesome holding power. You must remember to put it on clean surfaces, and the bottle must be shaken thoroughly before applying. Keep in mind that half the holes are blind. If you fill one of these up with 620 and screw in the stud, it will hydraulically lock and stop. I drill the bottom of blind holes with a #60 drill to allow the pressure to escape. Do not chase a stock hole with a 3/8-16 tap; you’ll only ruin the threads. If you need to remove a stud or helicoil a hole, use the following method:

  1. Clean the cases thoroughly.

  2. Jam two 3/8-24 nuts into each other on end of stud.

  3. Heat case with propane torch. Put candle wax at base of stud when hot. (Capillary action will pull wax inside.)

  4. Unscrew stud.

  5. Drill cases on drill press for long helicoils. Follow directions that come with the helicoils.

  6. Clean studs with a wire brush; inspect for twisting or tool marks.

  7. Chase the 3/8-16 threads on studs with a split die. The threads on the studs have the NC-5 shape that must be chased with a standard 3/8-16 split die to ensure proper fit with the helicoils.

  8. Test fit into case. When satisfied, Loctite 620 into case.

I’ve often read that a #6 oversize Corvair stud fits in a helicoil. This is a bad joke; it does not. I recommend against using any of the oversize studs. They’re very difficult to screw into the case. They are also of varying quality. Clark’s also sells a 7/16-20 base stud. I would not recommend these, unless you absolutely have to use one. ARP made a batch of super high quality head studs. These cost $300 for a set of 24. They screw right into helicoils. Several of the engines we built and flew used these, including our own personal engine in our 601 and the engine we built for Rick Lindstroms’s 601. These were available in 2003-2005, but they are not made today.

As an alternative to using long helicoils, the case can have time-serts installed. These are available, along with installation kits, from Clark’s. Some people find these easier to install. Again, no stock or oversize stud will thread directly into a time-sert either. If you have a case with a lot of mangled studs, perhaps the easiest route is to find another case.

Always keep cases in pairs. If you change half the case, the motor should be considered junk. I’ve seen them run in cars this way, but it would be ludicrous to consider building a flight engine this way “

 

Jump Start Engines – part #5

Builders

In this part we look at the Camshaft Group 1100. You can refresh your thoughts on this by looking at the 2013 story I wrote about this group:

Getting Started in 2013, Part #3, The Camshaft Group (1100)

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The take away from that story is how the number system supports a wide array of choices available to builders, ranging from a reground cam  with a stock gear to a new cam with a fail safe billet gear installed for you.

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I have built and tested all of the options above, and they all work.  Which one should builders use? Well, any one that appeals to them after some reading to understand the differences. To amend this, let me share some of the additional things I have worked with in cams in the last few years.

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-The most popular cams in use in Corvairs remain the same Clark’s OT-10 (new and regrind) that we have been recommending for 15 years.

– I have built motors with and tested the California Corvairs CC-10 and it is a good quality cam and essentially the same output as the OT-10.

-I am having a run of cams ground to a pattern that we tested in 1997-98, based on a design done for me by the late Harvey Crane. The cam has a small advantage over an OT-10. The jump start engines will be built up with these cams. I had considered doing this before, but it took a while to find a US grinder who had the right experience and equipment and was OK with making cams for aircraft.

– I have worked with every Cam gear on the market, built engines around all of them, from the Clark’s basic gear through the $300 American Pi adjustable timing billet. I dislike the fact that the Clarks gears are likely Chinese products, but they do fit and work. The California Corvairs and Larry’s Billets are American made, but they are very tight fits on cams, and I do not recommend installing one at home. The California gear has a shallow key groove that requires the height of the key to be checked.

– Absolutely, under no circumstances, ever, hit a cam hear with a hammer to “finish install it”. This appears in Corvair car sites and is very poor advice. Cams are brittle, at the next College I will demonstrate how easy it is to crack or break one with a 16 oz. hammer.

-Here is a link to a seven and a half year old story from our main website: http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar1206a.html  Half way down, it is detailing how we put cam gears on. I note that I want the thrust washer on tight.  Below is a section from our webpage 14 moths later. When GM built your Corvair, it had a tight thrust washer. If you go on line, you can find a number of car people claim that they would prefer to have the washer loose. Although I can not pin point this as a failure issue, It is a good example of car people offering very poor advise.

If you press a cam gear on tight with an un-chamfered washer, the gear gets run out in it and is then junk.  It took many wrecked cam gears to spot why some Corvair parts sellers didn’t make the gear tight. It was the new washers made without the chamfer below that cause the gear not to sit properly if it was pressed all the way on. Their solution was to simply not put the gear on all the way and leave the washer loose. They had the washers fixed eventually, but in the last 24 months, this issue and un-chamfered washers have shown back up. There are pages of commentary on Corvair car sites about cam washer looseness, but not a single one of these notes anything about the root cause, the missing chamfer. Part of the reason why I am going to do a run of my own cams is because it is frustrating to solve this issue at my own expense years ago, but again see builders coming to colleges with cams with supplier installed gears that cost nearly $400 that again have loose washers.

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(Feb. 2008) “Technical News You Can Use
Above are two cam thrust washers for a Corvair. On the lathe, I’ve cut a slight bevel to provide clearance on the side of the washer that touches the cam. My research into building Corvair engines is continuous and ongoing. The unbeveled washer is an aftermarket part supplied by several of the Corvair parts houses. When pressing on a new cam gear, this will make the cam gear walk slightly out of square at the last moment. After years of installing countless cam gears without problem, we’d recently had trouble getting several of them to seat on their cams and hold tight their washers. Ignoring this problem, people selling cams with gears on had been leaving the washer loose as a really poor fix. It took a while to determine what was causing this issue, but a slight relief on the washer makes the difference.”

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Below, the Group 1100 chart from our webpage checklist:

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Cam group (1100)

1101- Cam

1102- Thrust washer

1103- Key

1104- Cam gear

1105- Hydraulic lifter set -12 total-

1106- Cam lubricant

1107- ZDDP oil additive

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Above, an engine being assembled at CC#22 in Texas. It is a Clarks Fail safe gear on an OT-10, and a Weseman Gen 1 bearing.  the dial indicator shows that the steel crankshaft hub that the Weseman bearing rides on is correctly installed. Barely visible are the three small Allen screws that are centered around the crank nub. By adjusting these screws and the tapered shims underneath them carefully, the steel crank hub can be zeroed to exact alignment with the crankshaft. This adjustment is not required on the Gen 2, as the bearing hub is installed on the crank in processing and ground concentric. The sole advantage of the Gen 1 is that it can be installed as a retrofit on a fully assembled engine. Most people building an engine with a 5th bearing from the start now opt for a Gen 2 bearing. More info at: http://flywithspa.com/fly5thbearingcom/5thbearingnewengine.html

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Jump Start Engines – part #4

Builders:

In this section, Lets look at two elements of the closed case, The Crank Group 1000 and the Weseman bearing Group 3000. There two parts make up the crank and 5th bearing arrangement, and are the fundamental components to the Jump Start Engines.

From background reading, you learned that the two places to have the stock GM 8409 crank processed are Moldex in MI and with Dan and Rachel Weseman in FL. There are a number of factors in which one you could choose, but my approach is to ask first: What 5th bearing are you using?

The most popular 5th bearing for Corvairs Is the Weseman Gen. 2. This is followed by their Gen. 1, and then Roy’s bearing. (The Jump Start Engines are being built around the Weseman Gen. 2 ) If you are going with a Gen. 2, then Dan and Rachel are going to process your crank in FL. If you are building a Gen.1 engine, you could go either way, but my preference is FL because the Dan replaces the gear on the crank with a new one and Moldex does not. (For builders interested in Roy bearings, Roy uses Moldex’s services, but he replaces the gear himself as part of his bearing design.)

You can take this link: http://flywithspa.com/corvaircomponents/new5thbearingcrankshaft.html directly to Dan and Rachel’s site for crankshaft rework information.  You can use this link to read about the Gen.2 5th bearing: http://flywithspa.com/fly5thbearingcom/5thbearingnewengine.html.  The total of these two parts is $2,200.

After we go all the way through this series and come up with exact totals for all the parts, assembly labor and the core, I am going to have all the builders interested in picking up a Jump Start Engine actually pay the $2,200 directly to the Wesemans as the ‘deposit’ on their engine. There are several reasons for this such as double record keeping, in state taxation, etc. But the most important one is that The four of us that I call “The Corvair all stars”, (Ourselves, the Wesemans, Roy’s Garage and Falcon Machine) have a long standing informal agreement that each company should get the regular price for his work, and the others support it, but don’t act as a paid dealer. There is a good reason for this. When a builder uses a part, he can rely on full support from not only us, but also the all star that made the specific part.  This has the effect of getting several experts into the builders corner, and incentivizing the others to show up at Corvair Colleges to directly work with builders. It is a cooperative relationship that primarily benefits the builders.

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Below are the numbers from the Group 1000:

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Crank group (1000)

1001(A)- Crank (8409 mark, GM)
1001(B)- Billet crank (Fly5thBearing.com)
1002- Crank gear
1003- Crank gear key
1004- Crank gear gasket
1005- Rear keys -2-
1006- Fuel pump eccentric
1007- Spacer
1008- Bronze distributor drive gear
1009- Oil slinger
1010- Main bearings
1011- Connecting rod bearings

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On the engine we will have 1001A cranks: the 1002 gear is replaced, along with 1003 and 1004; the two 1005 keys are #5858 from Clarks, 1006-1009 come on the core cranks, we just clean and inspect them carefully, but the ones on most core cranks are in good shape. We will be putting new main bearings, #1010 in the case when we assemble it.

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Weseman 5th bearing group (3000)

3001- Bearing kit (designed for short gold hub 2501B)
3002- Alteration to standard gold hub (2501A)
3003- Alteration to black hub (2501C)
NOTES: Selecting this bearing option allows deleting the 2300 group. Contact Dan Weseman directly at FlyWithSPA.com for more information.

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In a later part we will go over the 2501B hub, which is the correct one for the Weseman bearing, both Gen 2 and Gen 1. The two notes 3002 and 3003 relate to retrofitting a previously built engine with a Gen 1 bearing assembly. -ww.

 

 

Jump Start Engines – part#3

Builders,

In this part, let’s look at the sub-groups that will be in the assembled short block. One of the organizational tasks I put a huge amount to effort into in 2012-13 is our Group Numbering System, which logically breaks down your engine build into groups, and assigns every single part in the flight motor a number.

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When I wrote the getting started series, I introduced the numberings system with this story: Getting Started in 2013, Part #2, Group numbering system. It is a good, short, introduction, but I later changed the system slightly. In the first system (which was used in the getting started series) You had Group 1000, (the crank group) but you also had part# 1000 which was the crank. Shortly I saw this was a little ambiguous, and decided to make the crank part number 1001, and bump all the part numbers down one digit. Not a big deal, but it makes it easy to understand that when we are speaking of 1000, 1500 or 2000, we are speaking of the whole group, not an individual part. Our regular catalog page:

http://www.flycorvair.com/products.html

Has all the correct part numbers as they are after the revision. Read and understand the getting started articles, but the numbers we use in this series will be the final ones that appear on our catalog page.

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The catalog page has all groups, #1000 through #4300 on it. That may sound like a lot, but keep in mind that 3400 through 4300 deal with airframe installation components that you don’t need to get an engine running at a college. Also, there are a number of groups like the Front cover group 2300, that are deleted if you are building with a 5th bearing, There are two oil system groups, 2700 and the heavy duty 2800, and you only need one, and there are three 5th bearing groups, 3000 (Weseman), 3100 (Roy’s) and 3200 (mine) and you only need one. The numbering system has to cover a lot of options, but to build your engine you only need to use part of it. This series will guide you through with some examples.

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If you look at it for a minute, you will understand that the “Catalog page” is far more than a list of items for sale. only a small fraction of the part numbers are items we sell. The page has a larger function as a checklist for your engine build. Rather than flashing back to it, consider printing one out and getting a highlighter and checking the items off as you collect and prep them. Even though I have been building the engines for 25 years, I still like to use a checklist to get everything organized.

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I have a few hundred hours in Grace’s Taylorcraft. It is a very simple plane, but if you look in the glove box, it has a laminated, hand written pre-flight check list, and I still take it out and run through it and say the items aloud.  Make fun of that if you want, but I am never going to be the guy who took off with the fuel shut off, the plane radically out of trim, or the primer unlocked.  If you don’t want to be the guy who comes to a college to assemble and run his engine but doesn’t have lifters (#1105) or head gaskets. (#1403), use the checklist.

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OK, below are the Groups we will be dealing with to build the Jump Start closed cases.( Getting Started in 2013, Part #7, ‘Chas. Charlie’ Short Block ) after this we will break it down to the individual parts in each group.

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(1000) Crank group

(1100) Cam Group

(1200) Case Group

(2000) Rear oil case Group

(2400) Starter group

(2500) Hub Group

(3000) Weseman bearing Group

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Reading for background:

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To read about the Crank Group 1000

Getting Started in 2013, part #1, Crankshaft process options.

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To read about the Cam Group 1100:

Getting Started in 2013, Part #3, The Camshaft Group (1100)

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To read about the Case Group 1200:

Getting Started in 2013, Part #4, Case Group (1200)

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To read about the Rear oil case Group 2000:

High Volume Oil Pump

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“If two guys walk into my booth at an airshow and ask about engines, everyone should understand that I am going to be polite to the guy who wants to tell me about the 4 cylinder Corvair he had in high school, I am going to answer all the questions of the guy who has seen my website, but didn’t look enough to even hear about the number system, but I am going to invest as much of my time as possible with anyone who shows up with a printed numbers list, a highlighter, a pencil and a working knowledge of how we describe the engine now. There is only one of me, and there will be many people at an airshow as interested spectators. That’s good, but my mission is to teach builders, not entertain spectators. I am glad to talk to the later and do a little hangar flying if they are standing there, but mission #1 is to communicate with builders, and nothing says you’re a builder like having a written plan in your hand.” -ww

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( Our booth at Oshkosh 2014 is #616 across from Zenith aircraft)

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Jump Start Engines – part #2

Builders:

Here is part #2 of the Jump Start Engine series. This one will cover some background before we move onto details.

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18 months ago I wrote a 20 part series on “Getting Started.” The entire series can be found by clicking on this reference page: Getting Started Reference page.

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In that series, from part#5 to part #9 we looked at 5 different closed case options. The had alphabetized names, AA through EE. The Jump start engines I am proposing, with Gen II Weseman bearings, 8409 cranks and failsafe gears on OT-10 cams are most like the engine described as the third, or “Chas. Charlie” option. You can read about it at this link to part #7: Getting Started in 2013, Part #7, ‘Chas. Charlie’ Short Block.

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If a builder wasn’t to assemble his engine as a 3,000 cc Corvair, the case has to be machined to accept the larger cylinders. Specifically the six holes for the cylinder spigot bottoms have to be enlarged slightly. This need to be done with great precision.  There is an older description of it at this link: 3,000cc Case Modifications.

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If you are thinking about which displacement you would like for your plane, you can read the “Getting Started” links about pistons and displacement. They are here;

Getting Started in 2013, Part #12, Piston Choices

Getting Started in 2013, Part #13, Basic piston/rod/cylinder combo.

Getting Started in 2013, Part #14, 2,850 cc piston/rod/cyl. Kits

Getting Started in 2013, Part #16, 3,000 cc Piston/cylinder kits

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That should be enough reading for one night.  On to part #3 tomorrow. -ww.

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Above, a rear view of a 3,000 cc Corvair engine.

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Jump Start Engine project – Part #1

Builders;

Here is a new series on engine building. It will be a detailed look at getting started that will serve many builders. The focal point of this are 10 “Jump Start” engines that we will have in the works for the next months, but the info will apply to anyone building a Corvair.

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What is a “Jump Start” Engine? Basically it is a complete core engine, that has some of the difficult parts done for the builder, but still needs work from the builder and replacement and conversion parts to be completed.

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Picture a builder who wants to build an engine, but is having a bit of a time finding a good core. He wants to do some prep work, reading and learning at home, but his goal is to bring his project to a single college and finish and run the engine in 3 days. He is a candidate for a jump start motor.

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Here is the idea:

1) The engine starts as a complete core motor at my shop. From it I send the 8409 crank to Dan Weseman for processing and the installation of a Gen II 5th bearing. The case is cleaned, checked and assembled with a new set of main bearings, an OT-10 cam, and a new gear. We assemble the Weseman 5th bearing onto the case here. We also install a set of Hybrid Studs (2502), Safety Shaft (2503), a  starter ring gear (2408), and a Short gold hub on the engine (2501B), and a High volume rear oil case. (2000HV)

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This would effectively cover most of the parts in Groups 1000, 1100, 1200, 2000, 2500 and 3,000. (see http://www.flycorvair.com/products.html)

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2) I take the heads while they are here, machine the carb pads off and weld on a set of the aluminum intake tubes.  This is done after the heads get a rough cleaning and have all the old parts like valves and springs removed.

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3) the remaining engine parts are rough cleaned and inspected, inventoried and bagged. We also have a comprehensive list using our numbering system of all the other parts the builder will need to finish the engine

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4) We can crate and ship this to the builder. He can then get familiar with all the parts, and at his own pace complete the engine. We can send him the heads, or we can forward them to Falcon Machine for rebuild. After getting everything organized and prepped, the builder can bring the completed case, plus all the prepped parts to a college, and with steady work he can go home with a completed running engine.

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Above is a close up of a 2nd Gen Dan bearing journal on a re worked GM crank. This is a 2700/2850 ready case we put together we sold at CC#24.

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Potential Questions:

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“Is this a Kit Engine?” No. It is called a Jump Start engine to differentiate it. Kit implies that every single part in the box. This has all the core parts, but still needs many items like pistons, the rods to be rebuilt, gaskets, rod bearings etc. Part of the goal here is to keep the thing affordable. If it was a kit with everything in the box, it would be a lot of money all at once. This will cost some money, but getting started with this is going to be less than 50% of the cost of building a motor.

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“Can I just get you to make me a kit motor, you know, with every single part in the box, carefully cleaned, and prepped and painted?” Sorry we don’t offer that. Here is why: If I did all that, and it had an assembled case, It would actually take me about the same man hours to assemble the engine as it would to carefully pack the individual parts in boxes to ship. The time in building an engine is the prep work, not the assembly. If I sold a kit engine it would have to be nearly the same price as a completed engine from us. Contrary to what some people think at first glance, engines like our $10,750 running 2,850 cc engine are mostly parts cost and only some labor.

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Why do many VW engines come as kits? How are they different? With Corvairs, we are investing sweat equity in the engines in order to rebuild a very high quality American engine with new parts that are also made in America. The great preponderance  of VW engines are made of all new parts….that come from the Peoples’ Republic of Red China.  Yes, they once came from Germany and Brazil, but that was long ago. Today, most VW parts, cranks, cases. heads, all come right from mainland China. My goal is to teach people how to build and operate a high quality American engine, not to compete with $2/hr. workers in a police state without civil rights.

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“What if I wanted a 3,000 cc engine?” In this series I am going to give sample builds of  2,700, 2,850 and 3,000 cc Jump Start engines, and I will give an exact break down of the costs for each.

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“Hey, I already have a core motor.” My first though is just follow along in the series and process your own stuff in parallel with the series. If you wanted to get in on the engine because you liked the closed case idea, or wanted to move up to a 3,000 cc engine (which requires the case to be bored out before any assembly work starts) we could always take your core as a trade in, but most likely we would just help you find another builder who wanted to buy your core from you.

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How much is this going to cost? I don’t have the exact number, because we have a few variables here like if the case needs to be bored for 3,000 cc cylinders, if a builder wants all new studs etc.  In this series we will look at a number of different variations and put exact numbers to each one

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“How quick could I get one?” The crank process takes time., as Dan sends the crank to several different shops for magna-fluxing, heat treating and grinding.  There is some calendar time involved here. Right now we are 100 days or so away from the next college. If we take 10 days to write up the series, and a builder wants in, there should be plenty of time to get the work ready for the college.

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You are a busy guy, isn’t this a big influx of work? No, not really. I already have the engines here. I picked up the 10 cores at the Corvair Ranch in PA on our trip last month. They are already disassembled and partially clean. The crank and 5th bearing part of this will be done by Dan’s experts, I am going to send the cases out for cleaning and boring, I have Vern to assist with welding the head pipes, and the small parts bagging is not a lot of work. What is left is the case assembly, building the rear oil case, and putting the gen II 5th bearing on.  That is work, but not an enormous amount. Again, if I was building “Kit” motors, and doing all the work on every part, this would take until the end of the year.

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What is the budget time line on this? Part of the idea here is to get to the exact numbers though this series. Once we know this, if a builder wants to get in, my idea was they directly pay for the crank processing and Gen II bearing to Dan and Rachel Weseman, which is $2,200. This would function as ‘the deposit’, the rest would not need to be paid until we were going to ship it of bring it to a college. If the builder wanted to get the heads for it sooner so he could get them in the works, we could arrange that they would leave before the case was done.

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That is all the preliminary questions I could think of. If you have more, tune in for part #2 tomorrow, or feel free to ask them in the comments section, I will address them in the next part. -ww.

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